Yet both hurt their case with rambling discourses on radical politics that the prosecution mocked.
"I don't care what they do to me," he said at another point in the rambling discourse.
He launched a rambling discourse about great pragmatists he had known.
"It was a terrible call," a disgusted Torre said later as part of a rambling discourse on the play.
Appearing to be engaged in this rambling discourse required less of Mitch than when the subject had been the dead dog walker.
He took almost 20 questions, and the last of them, a rambling discourse on homelessness, may have been the hardest.
More often than not, it was necessary to find the meaning-behind-the-meaning in their rambling discourses.
It is time to "smile and dial," he says, beginning a rambling discourse on liberalism's latest evils.
McEnroe fueled the fire, giving long, rambling discourses after his matches.
In his rambling discourse, Barker had revealed more than he should have.