The major religions have been telling us this for thou-sands of years, pointing out that the human race supplies the shells for souls.
"If your emotions are involved, then that's the time when you're most likely to believe whatever the religion tells you to believe," Atran says.
He described himself as a "sinner," but added: "My religion tells me all of us are sinners."
"My religion tells me as a human I am supposed to be nice to other people," he said.
No religion tells people to do a bad thing.
Who does your religion tell you we are?
"Those priests who teach religion in the school tell me that young people are so sick of religion."
Traditional religion tells us that we must conform to God's idea of humanity to become fully human.
Ventura followed the starlet script, saying religion "tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people's business.
To them we are infidels, and their religion tells them that to die in battle means they go straight to Paradise.