"It doesn't make any difference to me in terms of how I feel about cigarettes hurting people," he added.

At least the bit about cigarettes is almost true.

After that I didn't think so much about cigarettes or matches: if metal could find no hold here, then surely they wouldn't either.

"You look at what the government has done for awareness about cigarettes and the dangers," he said.

Asked for an illustration of his libertarianism, he talks about cigarettes.

Saying something about cigarettes, Carrie reached inside her shoulder bag.

Smokers who try not to think about cigarettes find it harder to give up.

He told me that his parents fight constantly, about politics and cigarettes and all kinds of things.

But there he was on Monday, talking about cigarettes.

The road there is sometimes long - we are talking about cigarettes - but it is a good one to take.