He tried to play a role at all levels, local politics, national and international.
Both said they now looked at presidential politics in a new light.
"People my age used to look at politics in two ways," he said.
These have looked at culture, politics and business in Asia.
But in some African countries, leaders have been more successful at ethnic politics.
Is it interested in changing that or are they just playing at politics?
Says me that is, I'm mostly bad at politics and finance.
The man went at politics as if every problem could be met head-on.
"Men play at politics, and women must pay the price for their folly."
The current administration, on the other hand, excels at politics.