"There is a bigger symbol here than just a scholarship," he said.
"The Jaffa orange was a big symbol, but now we must concentrate on producing special, better kinds of citrus."
In Argentina, it has also become the biggest symbol, among many, of the state's inability to manage its accounts and control corruption.
For me the building is a big symbol.
The biggest symbol of the park is a glass pyramid located near the eastern entrance.
"Here's another big symbol," she says, still crouched and looking up at me.
But the corporation was also a big symbol of state involvement.
And there was no bigger symbol of that than Brown's mistake.
Yet emotion can be rendered with subtlety or in big symbols.
"Now I'm just working on this big symbol at the end."