"In any civilized country, all the security services would be on their feet," he said.

But as in any civilized democratic country, they have to live by majority rule.

"So you are saying that China today is not a civilized country?"

Most of the older arts come from countries long civilized.

But, in a civilized country that is just not done.

I am not as the women you have known in your civilized countries.

And don't they try people here as in civilized countries?

The Chinese government does not yet play by the rules of civilized countries.

How many other civilized countries in the world would stand for it?

No other civilized country in the world would have let the river get so bad.