And it's usually for life', a group of graduating students told me.
In many countries, companies and groups should tell their country's government about the logo they are using.
The next time a pollster comes around, this small group tells him or her they think Clinton should go.
The key thing is not to let one group tell the other what they can do.
The group told him to shut up and enjoy himself.
Her group has told unions that it is smart to reach out to Republicans.
But the study's findings, he said, show that seeing is believing what the group tells you to believe.
During our visit, several abused and threatened groups told us of their experiences.
Both groups, though on opposite sides, are telling black men to stay in their place.
But environmental groups are telling their labor friends that the plan will not do much good for union members.