A pause, then: "If you look back over drama historically, there's a much wider range of subjects.
"If you look at this historically, no candidate has ever done well in Iowa without an organization," he said.
But if you look at it historically, building is subdued.
This means that any building or development has to be approved and must be the same as how they imagined Dargate to look historically.
"I tend to look at things historically," he said.
This could turn out to be an important time when we look back historically.
Look historically at the literature and you see regular periods of decline for various species.
"Look historically at how the baby boomers changed the course of culture," he told me a few weeks ago over the phone.
Looking back historically, we are doing a better job every year and this is certainly due partly to the work done by the rapporteurs.
"We look at it as a black district historically, but how can we say that now?"