Their goal, they say, is not to simply push people off the rolls.

One mother was off the rolls, had two jobs, but now is pregnant again.

The Governor insists it will save money eventually, by moving families off the rolls.

When they move off the rolls, concentrate on the next group.

The city takes a group of people off the rolls every month.

Administered by whites, this practice also was used to keep most black voters off the rolls.

"But the incentives are to do the wrong thing, to just cut people off the rolls."

To make welfare reform work, there have to be jobs for those pushed off the rolls.

The bill would prohibit states from taking individuals off the rolls just because they did not vote.

And at the end of the research - just before the economy began to sour - 72 percent were still off the rolls.