The hospital was a nightmare," she said, adding, "There was no rape counselor.

And, lawyers and rape counselors say, juries are usually suspicious.

Yet because of the way men are socially conditioned, they have additional reasons for their silence, say rape counselors.

Yeah, the rape counselor I've been seeing is good.

It didn't matter if, like Janice the rape counselor, these sessions could eventually wind up in court.

Some rape counselors say there is no longer a tendency to blame the victim if she feels she has no choice but to submit.

The woman then testified about her conversations later that day with a rape counselor, law-enforcement investigators and hospital personnel.

Maybe she identified with her; maybe that's why she was a rape counselor.

Greg looks at her and responds, "Oh, you know, you should be a rape counselor."

In addition, rape counselors say, most victims accept the sense they get from the authorities that they induced the violence.