I don't expect rational people to buy into the concept of magic going on around them.

"It's a far more difficult problem because you're not dealing with rational people," he said.

"I think the message should be accepted by all rational people."

"Most rational political people can deal with whatever rules they have to play by," he said.

I think there was always a feeling that when you got to the rational people, this could work.

"Do you think we can talk like two rational people for a minute?"

See what happens when you dumb down once rational people.

"I don't get a lot of rational people coming in here."

Getting even rational people from similar backgrounds to agree is difficult.

In fact, like most rational people, I did my best to avoid it.