Five years from now, the older children will be able to take real shifts and we could risk it.

Some, however, said today's announcement seemed to show a real shift.

"There could be a real shift in who's working and not working."

"At the same time you have a real shift in the perception of what art museums can be," he added.

There had also been a real shift in the relative positions of power.

"It seems to me that there is a real shift going on," he said.

The real shift is that they are moving to reduce risk throughout the company.

Now you are really talking about real climatic shifts both ways.

"There is a real shift among the institutions," he said.

The honourable Member asks us to give him hope that we will be seeing a real shift.