People see Russia as a poor first world country, when it's really the third world in many ways.
If the man turned round, Alex knew he would see Russia and China.
Neither does Nato fully see Russia as it really is.
Experts see Russia as one of the world's most corrupt countries.
But he said that while the hunger to see Russia again did come upon him at times, it was not "paramount" in his life.
But in my mind I can see Russia as well.
They see Russia as having become a part of the West.
It would be good see China and Russia on board.
"Next year and the year after," he said, "we are going to see Russia as the main spam problem."
It is very difficult to see Russia as a partner in this area.